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Post by Ozzy Lusth on Mar 10, 2013 19:54:58 GMT -5
To GC:
1. What big moves did you pull in this game?
2. Do you believe someone who did nothing of impact should win this game?
3. How often we're you sucking Artis dick?
4. Who do you feel deserves it more if u don't win.....Artis or Gervase?
5. Name what you felt was each jury members weakness.
To Gervase:
Pantera had a big pre game alliance do you feel you were carried to final 5 or you worked for it and why?
Why should u win over GC and why over Artis?
What big moves did you make? Rate the jury members 1-11 and why? Of the three finalist who is the weakest and why?
To Artis:
Why you over GC and Gervase?
How were you so good in manipulating weaklings like GC?
What big moves did you make?
Do you feel you played the perfect game why or why not?
Rate the jury members 1-11 and why?
Right now my vote is up in the air, who I choose will be based on your answers. Thanks and congrats to you three...even the one who rode coat tails! lolz
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Post by GC Brown on Mar 10, 2013 21:58:00 GMT -5
1. What big moves did you pull in this game? I'd say the biggest move was blindsiding Alicia. I feel like she had the most significant influence outside of the GC/Gervase/Artis core alliance, so she needed to be dealt with. And so she was.
2. Do you believe someone who did nothing of impact should win this game? Nope. Which is why you should vote for me! ;D
3. How often we're you sucking Artis dick? Ceaselessly.
4. Who do you feel deserves it more if u don't win.....Artis or Gervase? Artis. His physical game was better than Gervase's, as was his strategical game.
5. Name what you felt was each jury members weakness. Ozzy: not getting rid of me or Ramona when you had the chance. You had the numbers at one point, but you got too caught up in Alicia's "all-girl alliance" ruse.
Rob: kind of the same story as you since he was your right-hand man (at least that was my impression).
Crystal: laziness and drunkenness.
Malcolm: giving up. Sure, he was probably screwed anyway, but giving up certainly didn't help him.
Alicia: being too vocal about winning over the jury. Alicia explicitly told me that she was winning over the jurors, so this made her a clear target. Otherwise she might've lasted longer.
Cirie: lack of effort in the beginning. She finally decided to start orchestrating things in the round she got voted off, and by then it was way too late to make any kind of impact.
Ethan: not proactive enough. He won the immunity in the auction one round, and we saved him by voting off Cirie the next, yet he didn't take advantage. He seemed content just to trust Artis which obviously was not a smart move.
Kelly: well, besides her signature knack for throwing out random votes, I don't think she did a whole lot "wrong" other than not being strategic enough (common theme!). She kinda just went with the flow which got her reasonably far but pretty much guaranteed she wouldn't make it to the end.
Osten: not participating! It's the reason he lost the tiebreaker.
Ramona: I feel like she played a solid game, but obviously it would've helped if she hadn't...completely disappeared.
Roxy: lack of effort. I know Roxy can play a great game, but she just wasn't into it here. She tried to make a couple moves here and there, but nothing substantial.
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Post by Artis Silvester on Mar 10, 2013 22:59:17 GMT -5
These are gonna take a bit to type on my phone so I may save these for when I'm home Thursday night!
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Post by Ozzy Lusth on Mar 12, 2013 18:44:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the answers GC.
The all girl alliance wasn't why I didn't go after you.
The reason I picked my tribe the way I did cuz obviously rob Ethan myself and Malcolm were together. What I wanted from the other 3 was..1. Ramona cause I wanted her strength on my side rather then panteras. 2. Alicia I needed her so that who #3 was would want to go after her. I tried I figured out who'd wanna go after Alicia and whoever she had. I thought about u or osten. I went with u in hopes u would work with us and get Alicia out and then Ramona.
I knew I needed at least 1-2 Pantera members on my side come merge. But I didn't realize u were already owned by artis. So I failed then when the 3 vote power came in I knew as long any pantera won id be gone and that was my downfall.
I kept saying in confessionals i don't wanna go home by idol or triple vote. I wanted a shot at a tiebreaker at least. But I got tossed lol.
Anyhow for what it's worth congratulations in final 3 and sorry about any hostility. Was the game.
Good luck and job well done getting to f3.
I await artis and gervase.
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Post by Gervase Peterson on Mar 14, 2013 16:14:48 GMT -5
Pantera had a big pre game alliance do you feel you were carried to final 5 or you worked for it and why?
No I don't feel like I was carried in any way shape or form. Think of it less as a large pre-game alliance and more of a front to hide the true alliance that me, GC and Artis had going from the very start of the game. By uniting people towards a common enemy (the Kimba tribe) we in turn deflected attention away from ourselves until such a time as we could sail through without issue.
I worked hard in this game. Maybe my challenge performance faltered towards the end but that was down to circumstance. Given the fact that I felt reasonably safe in the game anyway, performing strongly in challenges was no longer important whereas other things I was working on were.
Leading up to this point I was always strong in challenges though. I went the long haul and did whatever I could once they came up. I got one of the hangman idols almost instantly and was working on obtaining the triple vote before Artis got in. For our alliance I did whatever I needed to, and I came up with a bunch of ideas to further our game round by round. I wasn't following, I was keeping very on top of game developments.
I also had plans in motion to potentially move outside of the final three if it became a necessity. These were never acted upon in the end because they didn't need to be. I wanted to try and keep Ethan much longer in the game, for example. I didn't contact him myself because Artis had already done so but I was always prepared to jump out and take the reigns in these situations if it was necessary. I started out by making side deals with Alicia but quickly learned that she was doing her own thing. I also had the genesis for plans to go with Osten, Ramona and Roxy towards the end of the game if it called for that as well.
The point is it didn't. A lot of my planning and thinking wasn't necessary so it never happened. That doesn't mean I didn't work for it, it just means that ultimately the work was not needed to ensure a final placement.
So yes, I feel like I worked quite a bit.
Why should u win over GC and why over Artis?
Because GC was following. He didn't even pretend not to be. GC was antagonistic and cocky about the fact that our group was doing well. Not really necessary but it didn't hurt things at all. Had he not got that idol, things may have been different but as it happens there was no reason for him to be particularly afraid. When it came down to it, we managed to get by just fine.
GC was reluctant to consider alternatives that the rest of us were throwing out on a regular basis. He seemed to think everything would just work out on its own. Whilst he was good in challenges, he didn't do the extra work when it came to strategising and I think his social game was actually poorer than mine (and I didn't even speak to some of the people on the other tribes). I did at least respond to them in a friendly manner when they approached me. That level of exchange is necessary.
Artis played a very good game but he put himself out there too much. The fact he never got targeted is because he came across as too powerful a force to play down. Me? I think I came across on the fringe. My main motivation was to distance myself from the other two in game and over AIM conversations as much as possible. I don't know how convincing I was, and I won't big myself up and say this was a strong suit of mine. That's up to the jury to decide.
I will say that in keeping a proverbial distance from the other two, forming the genesis of side deals and thinking outside of the box that it would be us three no matter what, I covered more ground than the others. I kept my hands clean more or less and managed to sail through without much issue.
There were time I was worried about my stake in the game and even in the final three deal that we had. But I stayed loyal on the last stretch. No point in not, at that stage. It was what we agreed and the others stuck to it, so why wouldn't I? My game didn't require it. If it had done, I would have done something else.
What big moves did you make?
I threw out the notion that me and Artis needed to start competing in the threads. I wanted to give the impression that the two of us were not only distant but also that we were enemies. Again, I don't know how much of this came across but I certainly formed the seeds of that and attempted to give a few people the impression that things were shaping up this way. It started with plate smash where I claimed that Artis was angry with me for attacking him first.
I got the idol early on. I worked out a way to spin Red Rover to our advantage (so that only the Kimba team would be eliminated round by round and our own people would be protected). Other than that none of my other big moves really reflected in the game much. The blindside of Colton was the biggest and most undiscussed I can think of but it would be wrong of me to take credit for that since it was reached by consensus. I did throw out that he should be taken care of sooner rather than later, purely because he was a loose cannon.
Rate the jury members 1-11 and why?
11 - Crystal: Because she forgot she was playing.
10 - Osten: He was difficult to get in touch with for challenges. He made no big moves or attempts to do so that were visible. He didn't participate in the end and got booted out because of it.
9 - Cirie: Showcased a tremendous potential (managed to get both idols ousted in 20 minutes of playing) but just ultimately wasn't engaged enough before then to make a big impact on the game.
8 - Rob C: Didn't question things at the crucial final moment and made a few fundamental early game mistakes (such as believing Artis' lies).
7 - Alicia: Powerful challenge strength but her motives were crystal clear from day one. She said all the wrong things, crossed all the wrong paths and just generally didn't do a good job with the side deals she was hoping to maintain.
6 - Malcolm: Proactive enough but instead of working things to his advantage at the end, gave up and declared the host biased for not clamping down on the players. At the end of the day, a game host should never intervene to make the game turn out in their favour. Even if a very large and evident pre-game alliance is present, their hands are tied. You can't engineer a game to make things turn out the way you want to. A host's job is to present the game. No matter what course the players take, they should always just observe and announce the results.
5 - Kelly: Powerful in challenges. Proactively involved in the game and not sticking tight to any alliances. That same point is her weakness, because she would've gotten further if she'd not been so intent on doing her own thing round by round, and had forged more of a bond with a group of the players.
4 - Ozzy: Powerful challenge strength, almost got the triple vote, was dangerous enough that he needed to be voted off early.
3 - Ramona: Because until the end she was very proactive and involved. It's just that she drifted off right before things got "interesting". Could've been a bigger threat otherwise.
2 - Ethan: Reached out to turn things to his advantage, gaining a further foothold in the game when he did so. It didn't matter in the long run but it might've done, and it was a valid effort nonetheless. He managed to remain positive and invested even when things didn't look good for him.
1 - Roxanne: Powerful, a threat and very nearly managed to defeat the final three arrangement we had. Roxanne tried hard to get a foothold in a power alliance this game but just ultimately never managed to. I would've been prepared to work with her for strategic reasons, but it never came up as a necessity. She still managed to involve herself as much as possible and I can't fault the effort she ultimately put in.
Of the three finalist who is the weakest and why?
GC. For the reasons I listed above, really. Whether or not you value loyalty over betrayal when it furthers a player's game is your call. But GC gave a poor performance socially and strategically. Maybe he kept his hands a bit cleaner, but he didn't think for himself much at all. The state of the game was such that it wasn't ultimately necessary for us to make plays outside of our comfort zone, but when these things came up in conversation he was only passively involved and often disregarded that there would be a problem altogether.
I feel like he just wasn't as involved as the rest of us.
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Post by Ozzy Lusth on Mar 14, 2013 19:49:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the answers Gervase. Congrats again and good luck.
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Post by Artis Silvester on Mar 15, 2013 22:00:41 GMT -5
Why you over GC and Gervase?
Several reasons I think. I believe I played the strongest overall from beginning to end. I was more devoted, won more challenges than anyone, most social, and more strategic than the other two. Neither of the two can really come up with a reason why they deserve to win over me. I put myself out there and played aggressively, sure, but I still made it here, and with no votes against me
I got the first HII of the game, got the first triple vote of the game, and through my challenge wins I was able to send GC to the Spa and gave him the passwords that I had gotten from my own Spa trips. That allowed GC to get the HII, which I successfully got him to play on me later on
I think I had more of a say in what went on than the other two, since I made sure I was well connected and had a finger on everything. I had options inside of our F4 alliance, and options outside of it in case anything went sour. Gervase said himself that he wanted Ethan as an option, but that he had never spoken to Ethan and that I was speaking with him instead, which is true. I made sure to have many backup plans through my social game in case I needed them
How were you so good in manipulating weaklings like GC?
I wouldn't call GC a weakling really. Both him and Gervase were devoted allies. I think they should've betrayed me before the end, yeah, but I tried to make sure that they never wanted to
I was able to get people to trust me and follow me just by being as convincing to them as possible. I tried to be as social as I could and I made sure that no one wanted to go against me. Anyone who I felt I couldn't control, I tried to cut early on. Colton is a good example of this. You were another. Once you stopped trusting me, I needed to make an example by sending you out before the merge. I was on the other tribe at the time, but I made sure your tribe threw the challenge, then I sent my 3x to Ramona, and they sent you out. People were afraid to go against me after that I think
What big moves did you make?
I was a huge part of making sure the Pantera vs. Kimba mindset stayed strong on Pantera. I was able to survive being redrover'd, despite Kimba wanting to RR me just to kill me. I orchestrated many blindsides and votes: Nate, Holly, Colton, RC, you, Alicia, Cirie, Ethan, etc. I came up with the idea to pretend to be at odds with Gervase, which helped my alliance greatly at the merge. Every item in the game was on my side, and I helped to get almost all of them for our advantage. The Ethan vote and making sure he spread out his self votes was another that I had orchestrated
Do you feel you played the perfect game why or why not?
I don't wanna be arrogant and claim that I did, but I will say I don't see a ton of flaws in it
The target on my back was bigger than anyone else's by a huge amount, and I was able to make the end unscathed. I won challenges when I felt like I needed to, was the most well connected socially, and was always running strategic scenarios and plans in my head. If there was someone I couldn't control, I cut them loose.
I guess my biggest fault would be Jury management, since I knew some people would be pissed at me. That really depends on the Jurors every time though. Sometimes there's nothing you can do about that.
So 'perfect' is a tough word. I'm fine with saying that I'm very happy with the way I played and don't feel that I made many, if any, mistakes throughout the game personally
Rate the jury members 1-11 and why?
11. Crystal: Pretty much a nonfactor all game
10. Malcolm: Anyone who gives up can't be ranked too highly. He showed potential during the start, but then he threw a fit and quit
9. Osten: Same story as Malcolm somewhat. Him and I were close throughout the game, and his mind was working a bit more than most people seem to think, but in the end he gave up after realizing he had little hope
8. Cirie: Just wasn't involved enough. If she was, she would've been a great player, but she wasn't devoted. During the one hour that she was devoted however, she proved to be a threat
7. Rob: Never really did quite enough to save himself. I believe he could've, but he didn't make the right connections or alliances to help him into the merge
6. Alicia: Showed a great amount of devotion and ability early on, but things caught up to her later. She had a lot of plans, and a lot of side deals, but unfortunately for her it was all public knowledge. In the end, too big of a Jury and social threat to keep around
5. Kelly: Played a pretty great UTR game. Managed to sneak by round after round until there was nowhere left for her to turn
4. Roxy: Very strong player, just didn't play strong enough in time. Was the biggest threat to my alliance in the final stretch of the game, and had the potential to derail it
3. Ozzy: I'd say the most devoted on Kimba, and the one who I felt most threatened by. Only person to publicly try to go against me, which was the smartest thing to do (maybe not publicly). Played a very strong game that was the most dangerous to my own
2. Ethan: Managed to do what he needed to make it through the early Kimba massacre. Ethan played his role as a pick up vote perfectly, which is why I knew to pick him up but not let him get to the end. Possibly could've won if he hadn't sided with me at that time, and if he got together with my opposition
1. Ramona: Her game was the most similar to mine/Gervase's/GC's, so I've gotta rank her first really. She was involved in everything we were involved in, and was playing harder than most gave her credit for
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Post by Ozzy Lusth on Mar 16, 2013 15:15:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the answers and congratulations again.
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