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Post by Ethan Zohn on Mar 10, 2013 21:30:36 GMT -5
To GC:
First of all, I have to totally disagree with your statement that you played a "clean" game. If by intentionally throwing challenges (while at Kimba and a few individual challenges) and telling blatant lies is your definition of "clean", then I think you need to get a new dictionary.
So, let me be frank. You didn't play a good game at all. You were practically playing to let Artis win the game by being his lap-dog. Like how Ozzy put it, sucking his dick only make you seem pathetic when you could have made a power move and get rid of him. Maybe then you could have earned the respect of others and maybe their vote as well. But for now, you are the last person I would vote for because you played the worst game of the 3 finalists.
To Artis:
Among the 3, you admittedly played the best game social-wise and challenges-wise. And you would definitely have my vote except for one thing - you stabbed me in the back (and without a valid reason). Remember how I said you have my jury vote if you had kept your word? You told me you would keep me up till the F5 at least and I didn't see any reason for you not to keep your word because I absolutely had no intention of backstabbing you at all. Maybe you had your reasons and I would like to hear them but for now, I am a man of my words and you won't get my vote because you didn't keep yours.
To Gervase:
So by default, you are most likely getting my vote because those two others simply screwed themselves up. However, this isn't final as I am giving them an opportunity to state their case and the reason why I should reconsider. As for you, I only have this question: If I am not voting you, who should I be voting for instead - GC or Artis? And why?
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Post by GC Brown on Mar 10, 2013 22:11:24 GMT -5
To GC:
First of all, I have to totally disagree with your statement that you played a "clean" game. If by intentionally throwing challenges (while at Kimba and a few individual challenges) and telling blatant lies is your definition of "clean", then I think you need to get a new dictionary.
So, let me be frank. You didn't play a good game at all. You were practically playing to let Artis win the game by being his lap-dog. Like how Ozzy put it, sucking his dick only make you seem pathetic when you could have made a power move and get rid of him. Maybe then you could have earned the respect of others and maybe their vote as well. But for now, you are the last person I would vote for because you played the worst game of the 3 finalists.
Uhhh... good question!
Since at the bottom of your post you said you wanted to hear me and Artis state our cases, that's what I'll do. Even though you've made it clear I probably don't have your vote anyway.
First of all, throwing the challenges at Kimba was a strategic move, and I stick by it. It's even happened on the show before, so I don't see anything unsportsmanlike about it. Throwing the challenge meant that I would be able to vote off some people on my tribe that weren't allied with me, rather than send the other tribe which was chock-full of my allies to tribal council.
Secondly, I never threw an individual challenge. I don't know where you get that impression, but the ones I lost certainly weren't intentional.
Thirdly! I think the "Artis' lap-dog" thing is ridiculous. He was my ALLY, so I did things for him, just as he did things for me. And guess what? We both made it to the end, so I think it worked! Why would I get rid of my tightest alliance of the game? If Artis had betrayed me, you'd certainly have a point, and I would've regretted not making a "power move" to get rid of him. But since we both made it to the final, just like it was our intention all along, I don't see your point whatsoever. Our strategy worked completely.
Neither of us were each other's lap-dogs. We both wanted to make it to the end with each other (and Gervase) and did exactly as intended. I know you and Ozzy would've loved to see me turn on him, but sorry, it just wasn't a good strategic move for me. I think the fact that I've made it to the finals attests to that.
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Post by Ethan Zohn on Mar 10, 2013 22:45:19 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer. But my decision isn't made yet although most likely I am going with Gervase (prior to your answer). I will take your answer into consideration (and Artis' and Gervase's as well) before making the final vote.
Good luck!
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Post by Ozzy Lusth on Mar 12, 2013 18:53:06 GMT -5
I think what he means is although u went to the final u were still his lapdog. It's like when Boston Rob went to final 3 with Phillip and that stupid bitch. He carried that bitch to the end and she barked and bit for him. He just used her and same with Phillip. None of them were winning.
Rob played the most perfect game of survivor I've ever seen..ever.
And that's how I saw things. Artis used you to get to final. He put you to work and that's it. I know you won't or can't see it but it is what it is. No offense.
Artis played this game perfect and were in f3 with the right pair of ppl.
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Post by GC Brown on Mar 12, 2013 19:24:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I don't see how someone "used" me when the intention from the beginning was for all 3 of us to make it to the end.
That's why Gervase and I didn't get rid of Artis in the last round. We could've easily done so if we wanted to. But all 3 of us were firm in the alliance and we stuck together.
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Post by Gervase Peterson on Mar 14, 2013 19:19:35 GMT -5
So by default, you are most likely getting my vote because those two others simply screwed themselves up. However, this isn't final as I am giving them an opportunity to state their case and the reason why I should reconsider. As for you, I only have this question: If I am not voting you, who should I be voting for instead - GC or Artis? And why?
Artis. Because he played a better game of the two. He was more involved socially, he made the right moves and he was on form with his physical game too. I don't think GC's game was up to par.
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Post by Artis Silvester on Mar 15, 2013 11:47:40 GMT -5
Among the 3, you admittedly played the best game social-wise and challenges-wise. And you would definitely have my vote except for one thing - you stabbed me in the back (and without a valid reason). Remember how I said you have my jury vote if you had kept your word? You told me you would keep me up till the F5 at least and I didn't see any reason for you not to keep your word because I absolutely had no intention of backstabbing you at all. Maybe you had your reasons and I would like to hear them but for now, I am a man of my words and you won't get my vote because you didn't keep yours.
Glad you asked that because I wanted to clear it up
The plan at the merge that myself and Gervase came up with was to pretend to be at odds. Myself/GC vs. Gervase/Ramona. We wanted to do this to keep everyone outside of our four from coming together against us. This was our main goal at the merge
Once we hit the final 7, it wouldn't have mattered anymore, and us four would vote 4 strong against whichever 3 were left. All we had to do was get to F7
I strung you along for two reasons. First, I needed to make sure I knew what was going on at all times outside of my alliance of four. If everyone else got together and went against us, who would the blindside target have been? Almost certainly me. I had a lot more to lose than my allies
So I went to you after we took Alicia out in order to get you onto mine and GC's "side", but also to make sure that you wouldn't go against me. You were a huge vote to pick up at that point in the game, and I needed to make sure I got to you before anyone, and I did
The second and main reason was your auction penalties. Like I said, all we had to do was get to F7 and we would be able to vote together. That changed with auction penalties, so I had to adapt. I went to you in order to gain your trust and learn what penalties you had. It worked, and you told only me. I found out that you had two self votes and couldn't vote.
You asked me during the F9 round if you should use both of your self votes that round, or use one that round and one the next. I knew that if you had used both that round then you would still be safe and Cirie would leave, but I had to get you to split your two self votes between that round and the F8 round. With you self voting at F8 and not being able to vote, my alliance was able to piggy back off of your self vote at F8 and vote 4 strong, instead of waiting to the F7. This was a huge for us. Remember that Ramona also had a self vote, so we needed as much insurance as possible that everyone outside of our alliance wouldn't piggy back off of hers
It was admittedly cruel of me to convince you to spread the self votes out, but I had to for myself and my alliance. I had to do this as a precaution. To keep myself from being blindsided, I needed to get those outside of my alliance to trust me, which also means betraying them at some point. Cruel, but it's the game. I realize I may have lost your vote because of it and I wouldn't blame you, but I hope to at least show you that there was quite a bit of strategy behind it that my whole alliance was relying on
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Post by Ethan Zohn on Mar 15, 2013 20:24:13 GMT -5
To Artis:
Thanks for your answer and explanation but I would just like to clarify something. Basically what you are saying is that I was voted off at F8 was because you couldn't trust me and was afraid I would backstab you? My earlier question was actually why did you back out on your word on keeping me up to the F5 because I clearly had no intention of voting you (or your alliance had you been honest with me)? If I had made it to the F5 as promised, you would have easily gotten my vote right now.
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Post by Artis Silvester on Mar 15, 2013 21:19:52 GMT -5
That's fair, I get where you're coming from. At that point (F8), I guess I just didn't really need to trust you if I'm being honest. I also had Osten on my side up until then. Plus Ramona, Gervase, and GC. I had a lot of options in terms of people who trusted me, and unfortunately some had to be cut short. If I didn't make that F5ish deal with you in the first place, you wouldn't have trusted me because we would've had nothing long term. From my point of view it was necessary. I realize you wouldn't have betrayed me, but no one else who I went to the end with were gonna betray me either
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